THE MAGICAL ARMCHAIR

The Ben Folds Five Digest

Issue #157 - November 5, 1996



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Topics for Today:
 
      BFF: random thoughts
      Billy and Elton
      Ben Folds on MY Radio
      The Billy Joel thang
      pointless rambling with an answer in here somewhere.
      Joel/John vs. Zevon/Folds
      Re: Joel/John comment
      Re: New CD?
      Billy Joel Comment
      Hating Billy
      bff-finally!
      re:down under
      BF5 interview...
      Re: BFF Brits
      Phillip??? / Live recording
      new album?
      Moxy Fruvous on-stage wardrobe
      More BFF chat on alt.music.counting-crows
 
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 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:38:25 -0600 (CST)
 From: William Tatalovich <wt3@cec.wustl.edu>
 Subject: BFF: random thoughts

 Well, I just got my first Magical Armchair.  Lots of info, most of it
 very relevant to what I want to know--very cool.  Anyways, have a few
 thoughts and questions:

 1. Any clue as to when the new album (thanks for posting the list of
 songs, BTW) will be released?  And it's on Sony, right?

 2. Ben said in an interview with some online magazine (name escapes me
 right now) that they're called Ben Folds Five and not Ben Folds Three
 just because they liked that name better--you know, that it just sounded
 better.

 3. I am beginning to suffer from BFF withdrawl.  I mean, I have the album
 and everything, but I saw them play in Cincinnati (Gotham Club) over the
 summer and they ruled.  As such, does anyone want to help me out and send
 me a tape or two of any of their concerts?  I would be eternally grateful...

 4. Anyone know when BFF will be touring again in the states?  Just
 curious...

 Oh well.  Thanks a lot for having a BFF digest--I love this band, and
 there's nothing like knowing everything about them....see y'all around.

 Bill Tatalovich
 wt3@cec.wustl.edu

 "No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful
  Everybody dies frustrated inside and that is beautiful..."
 			---They Might Be Giants, "Don't Let Start"

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 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 15:50:47 -0800
 From: Doug Swan <dswan@path.org>
 Subject: Billy and Elton

 Marc said:

 >Somebody said that Billy Joel and Elton John made the piano unpopular.
 >Are we listening to the same Billy Joel?  I don't care so much for
 >Elton, but I grew up on Billy, AND love BFF as well.  I guess that's what
 >makes the world go round.

 You should listen to Elton's first three albums and Billy's first few
 (particularly his debut).  Elton was every bit the measure of Billy (I loved
 them both, with and emphasis on lovED).  They've both matured and
 commercialized, but they also still turn out the ocassional interesting song.

 >Did anybody else become a little pissed at that last post? Or has
 >everybody turned their backs on Billy Joel.

 I tend not to get pissed off at people who base their opinions upon a part
 of someone's career and not all.  That piano (and all keyboards) have been
 shut out of the scene in the past 8 years is more an indictment of the
 close-minded music industry and those who cater to it than to those who
 listen to and care about quality music.  Take care.  Doug.
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 Doug Swan                                           EMAIL: dswan@path.org

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 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:50:02 -0500 (EST)
 From: Lucy <joelle.jaffe@yale.edu>
 Subject: Ben Folds on MY Radio


 I don't know if anyone out there is a big Counting Crows fan, but I am,
 and so I felt it was my duty to bring to everyone's attention the cool
 connection between these two bands.  On CC's cool new album "Recovering
 the Satellites" there is a cool song called "Monkey" with cool lyrics that
 go:
 	"Got no place but home to go,
          Got Ben Folds on my radio right now. . ."

 Needless to say, I flipped out when I heard this!!  When one of my
 favorite bands mentions my other favorite band in a song, it's clear that
 there's something very unusual going on here. . .  something cosmic and
 mysterious, perhaps?  Anyway, I highly recommend the song and the album
 and the band!!

 lucy.

 P.S.  I've got some cool Counting Crows boots that I would love to trade
 for BFF boots if anyone is interested!!

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 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:55:53 -0800
 From: John Fitzgerald <jfitzger@netroplex.com>
 Subject: The Billy Joel thang

 In response to the question/comment about Billy Joel's talent and such,
 I just have to say that when I first heard BFF, Mr. Joel was one of the
 first influences that sprang to mind.  The solo piano on Philosophy for
 instance is, at least to me, very reminiscent of early Joel stuff, like
 "Angry Young Man", "Summer, Highland Falls", and "Scenes From An Italian
 Restaurant".   I've been a fan of Billy Joel for years, but I'll also be
 the first to admit he's been a bit uneven in the past few albums.
 Nonetheless, when I saw him last year in concert, the man put on one
 hell of a show.  There are a lot of up-and-comers who could learn a
 thing or two about rockin' the house from Billy.  So when I heard Ben
 doing his thang, I rejoiced to hear that energy on the ivories once
 again.

 Has Ben ever really given props to Joel, or Joe Jackson, or Squeeze, or
 any of the other greats that seem to seep into his work?  I've read a
 few interviews, but I don't know if that's ever been addressed.

 I was also quite psyched to see the songlist for the new BFF album...now
 we just need a release date...of YESTERDAY!

 Peace, Fivers.

 Rob Sturma
 Hollywood, CA

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 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:26:31 -0500
 From: dan osman <dsosman@students.wisc.edu>
 Subject: pointless rambling with an answer in here somewhere.

 I just wanted to respond to Spy Swatter's (If that is his real name!)
 e-mail. He asked why it's called Ben Folds Five and not Ben Folds three.
 Through in-depth research, countless hours at the library reading through
 books on music, and a trip to their hometown, I came up with the conclusion
 that I had no life. I also  realized that I came not one iota closer to
 finding out the answer to the question. Fortunatly, one of my friends knew
 so he told me. Here's what he said. "Hey Dan, how's it going?" oh, he also
 told me about that Ben Folds Five thingy. Anyway, he said that they called
 it that to make fun of the group the Jackson Five. You know, Michael, Tito,
 umm...Janet, Dopey, and Blitzen. Whether that's the truth or not, I don't
 know. but it sounds cool and it fits in with the style of the group. Not
 that I'd ever compare the Jacksons to Ben Folds Five, but, heck, they did
 it anyway so what do I care? Anyway, I've done enough rambling here so I
 think I'll end it here. oh, wait, gotta leave them laughing. ok, Why didn't
 Captain Kirk go to bed with a blond? He didn't want to go where everyone
 had gone before.

 dan

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 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:59:26 -0800
 From: Eric Meany <funafuti@ix.netcom.com>
 Subject: Joel/John vs. Zevon/Folds

 thought they were pretty poor representatives of what the piano could
 and should be in pop music. Joel is a GREAT player, but his songs do
 nothing for me, and Elton wrote great songs but, well, wore a big Duck
 suit. When I tell people I'm a piano player, they almost always assume
 those two must've been an influence and seeme shocked when I say Warren
 Zevon is the only cool singer/songwriter/pianest. Until this year, that
 is, because Ben Folds DEFINITELY moves to the front of the class. (and
 you thought this was an unrelated rant...)

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 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:05:55 -0500
 From: Brad654@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Joel/John comment

 In a message dated 96-11-01 17:23:27 EST, you write:

 << Did anybody else become a little pissed at that last post? Or has
   everybody turned their backs on Billy Joel. >>

 I've been a Joel fan since about 1980. And I will mention his later stuff.
 It's not the power piano pop he used to write, but it isn't crap, either.

 As for Elton John, I don't know how people could like BF5 and not Elton.
 There are so many similarities. If you don't believe me, get a hold of a live
 Elton recording called 11-17-70. It's a radio performance with Elton on
 piano, Dee Murray on Bass and Ray Cooper on drums. Sound familiar?

 Since it was recorded in 1970, the music is not nearly as fresh as Ben's, but
 it's still good. Again, I don't know how someone could like Ben and not like
 Elton, or at least that recording.

 Later--
 Brad

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 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:51:57 -0500
 From: BSCHACK@aol.com
 Subject: Re: New CD?

 In a message dated 96-11-01 17:23:27 EST, you write:

 << Are they releasing a live cd in addition to the new one or is the new one
   going to be recorded live? >>

      The live recording might be released as a live CD or it may never be
 released at all.  I just know Sony's taping it.

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 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:14:44 -0500
 From: Me <saltman@wesleyan.edu>
 Subject: Billy Joel Comment

 Last issue Marc asked if
 >anybody else become a little pissed at that last post? Or has
 > everybody turned their backs on Billy Joel.

 Yeah, I was a little pissed too. His early stuff is great ("Only the good
 die young" ? Pure pop heaven) When I was first listening to BFF I described
 their music to a friend as the halfway love child of Barenaked Ladies and
 Billy Joel. Anyway, I have not turned my back on Billy Joel. :-)
     On a different note, has anyone else thought it might be interesting to
 do a semi-official poll of the other favorite bands of BFF fans on this
 list? I know other lists I've been on have done that, and it's usually
 fascinating...
      Sarah

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 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:09:50 +1000 (EST)
 From: Michael Townsley <M.Townsley@hum.gu.edu.au>
 Subject: Hating Billy


 > Somebody said that Billy Joel and Elton John made the piano unpopular.
    ...
 >  Did anybody else become a little pissed at that last post? Or has
 > everybody turned their backs on Billy Joel.
 > -Marc

 Marc,

 Ignore those who do not appreciate the brilliance of BJ, they are ignorant.
 Unfortunately, he suffers from overplay of half a dozen of his more ordinary
 songs. However, BFF has replaced Billy as my favourite artist. I still love
 the guy and will buy anything he ever brings out, but BFF are my new number
 one musical artist (the one and only act to topple BJ from the coveted place).

 Any Australians out there able to find CMJ here? I looked in every newsagent
 I can find and no luck.

 MT ..........hanging out for the Big Day Out to finally see BFF (I don't
 even know what Ben looks like!!!!!!!)

 BTW, Frank: Thanks for the list, love it.

     [You're welcome! -fjm]

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 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:48:41 +0000
 From: hhor1@student.monash.edu.au
 Subject: bff-finally!

 hi all

 finally they have released bff in australia!  uncle walter is out and i've
 also seen 'where's summer b' on vinyl.  they also have shown 'uncle
 walter' on Rage (music show).  i freaked out!!  well i was jumping up and
 down dancing to it, while my friends gave me funny looks. (they just don't
 appreciate good music!) also i have found t-shirts!!  in Melbourne, at
 Gaslight for $10!  they were having a sale on T-shirts and i don't think
 anyone was buying them, so they're selling them cheap.  so for those in
 Melbourne, grab one!

 did i read right?  bff at the big day out!!!!! oh my god!!!!!!  i
 think i definetly have to go now!!!  i was waiting for a good band to
 play, but now bff is, AAAHHHHH!

 bye
 chris

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 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:27:42 +-1100
 From: PAUL GILBERTSON <pgilber@spin.net.au>
 Subject: re:down under

 this is my first post thing (if thats what you call it). in mentioning
 australian bands you forgot screaming jets, nick cave, ammonia and
 suiciety, among others. most the music we hear on the radio in australia
 is american but except for the accents you c ant pick the australian songs
 from the american ones.

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 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 01:58:40 EST
 From: Greg Monkey <drunkenmonkey@juno.com>
 Subject: BF5 interview...

 	If anyone is interested, I have just put out Drunken Monkey
 Fanzine issue #1, with an interview with Mr. Ben Folds himself.  It also
 includes interviews with Possum Dixon, Fig Dish, and Rocket From The
 Crypt.  If anyone is interested in purchasing this fine fanzine (all 34
 pages of it) that I do, email me...

 drunkenmonkey@juno.com

 Sorry to use the list for this, but I assume some of you will be
 interested.  It's $2.25 (american)...email me for more details.

 Greg

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 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:09:06 GMT
 From: Katy Appleton <K.Appleton@uea.ac.uk>
 Subject: Re: BFF Brits

 Another UK BFF fan spreading the word... I'm going drive 160 miles to
 be at the Leadmill gig too, with some friends who, if they weren't
 converts at the beginning of the night, will be at the end (if they
 know what's good for 'em...) <grin>

 Katy
 --
 Katy Appleton * University of East Anglia, Norwich, England
    k.appleton@uea.ac.uk * http://www.uea.ac.uk/~u9511237
            Studying for a PhD in "I Told You So"

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 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:48:18 GMT
 From: Mark Piper <pipermf@phymat.bham.ac.uk>
 Subject: Phillip??? / Live recording

 Hi,

 	First, a plea to Phillip ("slept@cris.com"@concentric.net), who
 mailed me about trading. I would like to trade, but your email address is
 giving me (and my mail software) grief. If you are out there, please get
 in touch, preferably with another place I c an mail you.

 (ii)-
 >
 >  << Inside info - Sony is recording BFF live in London in the 3rd week of
 >  November (forget the exact date).  Earlier live recorded tracks (in the US)
 >  had to be scrapped because the quality of the performance was not up to
 >  par.
 >   This is intended to be a major label record release.
 >    >>
 >
 >  Are they releasing a live cd in addition to the new one or is the new one
 >  going to be recorded live?

 I would put my money on the tracks being used as extra tracks on the
 singles from the new album (as with the Ziggy's tracks)


 (iii)- I notice that Jellyfish keep cropping up. Well, as you may or may
 not know, Jason Falkner (who I'm told played on their first album) has
 released an LP, which I'm told by two different BF5 fans is excellent.
 Called "Author Unknown", UK fans might l ike to do as I did, jaunt along
 to your local Virgin Megastore with every intention of buying it, and then
 run out crying with shock when you see that they're trying to get their
 grubby hands on 18 of your hard-earned pounds. Get a copy from a rich
 friend instead I guess.
       And keeping on the subject of related music, Jonny Polonsky comes
 highly recommended. I got a copy of his album "Hi, My Name Is Jonny" for a
 mere one pound from a record shop in Birmingham (Reddingtons, if anyone is
 interested). Otherwise, I believe he released a single "Love, Lovely Love"
 (I think that's the title), which has two great B-Sides, a hilarious "pop"
 version of Nirvana's "In Bloom" and a song called "There Is A Force
 Commonly Known As Love". Check it out.

 Enough from me.

 Mark
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 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:44:42 -0400
 From: - Steady Eddy - <bartok@cycor.ca>
 Subject: new album?


 does anyone have a release date for the new album? sorry if it's already
 been posted.

 thanks,
 ed

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    [This is from a review of two shows in upstate New York this past
 weekend by the Canadian group Moxy Fruvous as posted to the mailing list
 "Bargainville Discount Store". All four band members are multi-
 instrumentalists, but Murray usually plays, and sings, bass.]

 From: Jamie L Karek <karekj@gort.canisius.edu>

         It was noticible that Murray was wearing the same clothes on both
 occasions.  (He was wearing a Ben Folds Five t-shirt...does anyone
 know who or what this is?)  He apologized, telling us, "I just got this
 shirt, and I'm kind of fond of it."

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    [The talk about Ben Folds Five continues on alt.music.counting-crows:]

 From: MRTang@gnn.com (Michael Tang)

 I just picked up the Ben Folds Five CD tonight.  This CD really rocks.  It
 is filled with very catchy tunes and is well worth the listen.  It sounds
 kinda like an alternative Billy Joel with a just a pinch of Counting
 Crows.  Listen to the CD and then listen to Monkey and the style of music
 sounds very similar(IMHO);  but Ben Folds Five has a very distinctive
 sound.

 Anyone else out there heard them and care to comment?

 Mike

 From: jaj9@pantheon.yale.edu (joelle.)

 i have been a huge ben folds fan for a long time!!  i'm glad other people
 are finally catching on!!  they have signed with sony and their new album
 on epic 550 should be coming out in early '97.  yeah!!

 From: rclay@ocean.st.usm.edu (Robert Adam Clay)

 Let me tell you about BEn folds five. they're incredbile. and i thought
 the exact same thing about monkey when i heard it. i long to see BFF play
 live because i hear that they are very intense. Ben's stage prescence
 matches up to adams from what i understand....

 adam

 From: "Randy Perry" <rperry@stlnet.com>

 I've had the Ben Folds CD for many moons. At one point I had the CD in my
 ROM drive for 2 weeks straight. I still can't believe all that sound comes
 from a trio band. Piano, bass and drums....pretty damn cool. I really like
 this album. I've heard the "Billy Joel rip-offs and Joe Jackson
 sound-alikes" arguments, and I don't buy into them. Why would a band want
 to emulate Billy Joel? Joe Jackson on the other hand I can see, but.......

 If you have not heard the album, by all means pick it up.

 Randy Perry

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