THE MAGICAL ARMCHAIR

The Ben Folds Five Digest

Issue #211 - March 28, 1997



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Topics for Today:
 
      BFF: another new album
      Bradford MacLeod
      Shut up.
      Brick response
      Re: Inspiration for Brick
      DJ antics
      Re: Brick
      Second Albums
      Re: brick
      Philly show and making it big
      new album comments...
      gams, trust me.
      Incoming! The Reaction to my Post!
      BF5 in Houston/Austin, etc.
 
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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:32:29 -0600 (CST)
 From: Bill Tatalovich <wt3@cec.wustl.edu>
 Subject: BFF: another new album

 Hey all--

 I know that there's a lot of hullabaloo right now about the nw album and
 everything, but has anyone given a listen to Eric Bachmann's (sp?) solo
 album, oddly enough titled _Barry Black_?  I got a listen of it the other
 night, and I was pleasantly surprised.  I mean, I like Eric's work in
 Archers of Loaf (who, BTW, I saw about a week or so ago in St. Louis for
 free), and how can you lose with guest artists like our own Ben Folds and
 Darren Jessee?  Ben actually plays drums on about half of the songs on the
 CD, and he does a tremendous job with it (at least better than I could
 ever do).  Darren's only on one song, if I remember correctly.  Anyway,
 you might want to give it a listen...it's not much like Ben Folds Five,
 it's not much like Archers of Loaf....it's just pretty cool.

 Oh yeah, and does anyone have any idea how I can get my hands on a copy of
 _Shut Up and Listen to Majosha_?  I assume it's out of print, the campus
 radio station doesn't even have it, and the record stores around St. Louis
 aren't THAT good...any hints will be much appreciated.  Thanks.  See y'all
 later.

 Bill Tatalovich
 wt3@cec.wustl.edu

 "You're not the one who let me down / but thanks for offering..."
 	--Archers of Loaf

    [There has been so much demand for Majosha, maybe Rhino Records should
 do a reissue! -fjm]

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:34:54 -0600
 From: jbuff@uit.net
 Subject: Bradford MacLeod

 Hey! I give credit where credit is due.

 This was a very good letter about the album.  I completely agree with
 your comments, even though you correct my "sampling" error.

 Brett

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:42:47 -0500
 From: John Glosson <JGlosson@webtv.net>
 Subject: Shut up.

 Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh wahhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh...you're acting like a bunch of
 crying babies. "Slow songs suck...boo hoo". Just shut up. JUST SHUT UP!
 Your little frat boy mentality is what propetuates bands like Silver
 Chair and Hootie and the Blowfish. Get over it. If you don't like it,
 then don't buy it. Crawl back into your frat house and drink domestic
 beer while you listen to your Nine Inch Nails  cds. BFF are artists and
 conduct themselves as such, and make no effort to pander to the lowest
 common denominator. To all of those readers with any level of
 intelligence and appreciation for fine mucic, I apologize for the
 negativity that I've brought to the Armchair.
 Once again I remind the rest of you to shut up.
 Thank you.

    [There are all sorts of people with all sorts of tastes and all
 opinions on Ben Folds five are welcome here. The moderator will tell
 people when to shut up. -fjm]

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:45:25 -0500 (EST)
 From: Marc <mjt7742@is2.nyu.edu>
 Subject: Brick response

 >  From: Megan Hope Foster <mhfoster@artsci.wustl.edu>
 >  Subject: brick
 >  does someone out there know anything about ben's inspiration for the song
 >  "brick"?
 >  it's such a moving song...every time i listen to it, i get completely
 >  wrapped up in his emotions.
 >
  I was waiting for someone to mention this.  I am in love with this song.
 The inspiration sounds like someone dating a terminally sick person.  It
 sounds like Ben felt tied to her once he found out it was terminal and she
 thinks she's dying for him, while he's ready to look for another girl.
 Everytime I hear the chorus I want to cry. A sappy slow song hasn't
 made me feel this way in a long time.  Well, just thought I'd share.
 Marc

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:00:38 -0500 (EST)
 From: FHudetz@aol.com
 Subject: Re: Inspiration for Brick

 Megan,

 I think that Brick is a song about abortion.

 Tim S.

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:12:21 -0800
 From: Hezbollah Harry <Heyzeus@swbell.net>
 Subject: DJ antics

 Everyone who has wondered why The Five don't call themselves the Three
 will find this bit of radio dj idiocy amusing.  A Houston DJ, trying to
 make a little small talk before playing BoWCCL, related this anecdote:
 "Last time they were in town, I asked Ben Folds why his band is called
 Ben Folds Five when there are only three of them.  He replied that he has
 trouble counting."

 I seriously doubt this "interview" ever took place, seeing as how nobody
 at that station knew anything about music before the day Sony sent them
 the single, but it still sounds like something Ben would reply to an
 ignorant radio putz.  Humorous, but sarcastic to those who know.  The dj
 then went on to introduce the song as "Battle of Who Cares Less."

 josh

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:29:18 -0500
 From: Mike Piccuirro <mikeman@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
 Subject: Re: Brick

 > From: Megan Hope Foster <mhfoster@artsci.wustl.edu>
 >  Subject: brick
 >
 >  does someone out there know anything about ben's inspiration for the song
 >  "brick"?
 >
 >  it's such a moving song...every time i listen to it, i get completely
 >  wrapped up in his emotions.

 I think the article in Details mentions that the song is about taking
 his girlfriend for an abortion.  It would make sense with lines like
 "Parent aren't here to find this out" and "They called her name at 7:30,
 and I paced around the parking lot".  Now, I don't know if Ben had that
 experience in real life, but I would venture to say that he had.

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:51:25 -0500
 From: Evan Chakroff <chakroff@ee.net>
 Subject: Second Albums

 ahh... my first message of real content...

 My opinion of Whatever is that it is a good followup to the first album.
 Much like how songs are ordered on and album, or a concert set list, here
 is a slower album following a faster album. A change of pace. However, as
 mentioned below, the lyrics have more depth to them. As for the sophomore
 slump.... many bands have phenominal second albums, when their first album
 is less than perfect. For example, Weezer's first release had a few great
 songs, but not a lot. The second album, with only ten songs, is much better
 musically and lyrically. In BFF's case, Whatever is _different_, not worse.
 On another note, I think the addition of more instruments is hardly
 noticable (except on Steven's) because they blend so well with the
 piano/bass/drums.

 -ec
 On the desk: BFF: Whatever And Ever Amen, They Might Be Giants: Then: The
 Earlier Years, Weezer: Pinkerton, Phish: Junta

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:03:25 -0500 (EST)
 From: Marcia Huth <mdhuth@email.unc.edu>
 Subject: Re: brick

 megan->
 	brick is about an abortion. darren jesse wrote it and ben folds is
 married, so i'm guessing they're singing for darren, but i dunno.

 dan boland

 mdhuth@unc.edu

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:20:49 -0500
 From: Me <saltman@wesleyan.edu>
 Subject: Philly show and making it big

 > Is anyone else out there going
 > to the Philly show?

 I had to rearrange my finals, and I'm skipping the last day of classes, but
 I am going to see BFF in Philly and I can't wait! My sister is the only
 other BFF fan I know, though, and she can't go. :-(   If you're at the
 Philly show and you see someone sitting in line reading a newspaper or
 something, come talk to me so I don't feel like a loser. Thanks. ;-)

 >Do we really want them to become BIG? If
 > they get bigger, us true fans will have to deal with larger venues and
 > increased ticket prices. We'll lose the closeness of seeing them in clubs or
 > small theaters. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them hit the big time
 > for two reasons: 1.) If there's any band who deserves it, it's them. And 2.)
 > I can't wait to say "I told you so to all the people who jump on the BFF
 > bandwagon.

 I hate that I have to say this, because it makes me feel/sound like one of
 those annoying alterna-girl posers, and I usually hate it when other people
 say it....but I don't think I want them to become big here in the US. Oh,
 God help me, I'm straight out of "Underground". Sorry. But they're already
 enormous in Japan, (are they in the UK too?). I don't know, there are so
 few artists I love and that I can see in small venues. I'm torn between
 wanting everyone on earth to share in the love and magic that is Ben Folds
 Five, and between being a selfish little snot who wants to keep all the
 beauty for myself....Of course,  I do tell everyone I know about them and
 play the cd nonstop on my radio show at school. The people at the station
 stuck "Whatever and Ever, Amen" in the regular library, without even a stop
 in the new releases area, which would ensure that DJs would play it. I
 think that's because, for the most part, the radio station here is
 concerned with being as anti-mainstream as possible, which basically means
 "music" that sounds like various farm animals being tortured, perhaps with
 some screaming vocals, heavy distortion and the melodious tones of
 fingernails scraping a blackboard thrown in for good measure....
      Sarah
 P.S. I *love* the new album, I think its definitely as good, if not better
 than, the first. I have to ration out my listening so I don't get sick of
 it too fast, but I have this intense desire to play it all the time. When
 I'm not listening to it, I'm singing it myself (well, attempting to), which
 isn't really pleasant for anybody but me, but hell, I think we already
 established that I'm a selfish little snot, so I'm just gonna keep on
 singing. ;-)

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:20:22 -0600 (CST)
 From: "Daniel \"Superfly\" Meyerson" <demeyers@midway.uchicago.edu>
 Subject: new album comments...

 well i know i haven't posted since before the list had an actual name, but
 i just felt that i had to say something about the new album.

 i'm completely in love with the song "brick".
 i'm almost ambivalent towards most of the other songs RIGHT NOW. this will
 change as soon as i listen to it a bit more, but my first impressions
 about the songs that i like indicate my favorites most of the time, but it
 always takes me a while to warm up to any new album especially after
 having a first album that i worship on a pedestal.

 looking forward to April 24th in Chicago

 daniel

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:28:41 -0500 (EST)
 From: ShirowFan@aol.com
 Subject: gams, trust me.

 yep. it tis pronounced "gams." how do i know this? i'm a worldly guy, that's
 all.

 hey--picked up a FREE copy of a John Spencer Blues Explosion video
 today--will give away. I hate those guys. I am looking for the video that
 comes with the bff CD at tower. see, in Kansas, we have crap. that's all. we
 have to sort through crappy stores with crappy prices and crappy smells to
 get CDs. i will pay almost any price for this, within reason.

 Sarah--your posts always make me smile. :)

 Ben was asked, if he could fold any five things, what would they be?

 His answer: the Jacksons. I love that boy.

 review. i know you little bffers just wanna listen to the damn thing, but,
 it's america, and i can post this review because it's my right, dammit.

 the Cd is great. there. i said it. the hidden track is funny. thank you all.
 tip your waitresses.

 Selfless, Cold, and Composed,

 dave-o

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:01:56 -0500 (EST)
 From: Jason Martin <un036034@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu>
 Subject: Incoming! The Reaction to my Post!

 Hey there folks...

 Well, it seems I got some discussion kicking with my last post, so I
 thought I'd do a followup:

 Hey, I'm a hardliner, but the album grows on you, here's what I thought
 the last 20-25 times I've listened to it:

 1.  I'll eat my words for something I didn't say last time.  I should have
 said "BFF TO ME is uptempo etc."  I implied that but in hindsight I should
 have typed it.  I'm not trying to force them to fit into a style.  But at
 the same time, you can't make me like slow songs.  I don't like them.  Too
 many bad memories from jr. high dances! (j/k).  Seriously, I like upbeat
 stuff.  Hey, that's my bag. Moving on...

 2.  Brick is much better than I gave it credit for.  I like Fair more.  I
 even like Smoke more.  But Selfless is still Billy Joel in a can, Missing
 and Evaporated I still just don't like.  I would like anyone to justify to
 me why Cigarette is on this record.  Even my piano-phile roommate skips
 it, and he likes anything with piano at all!

 3.  Many people have sent me email either saying "Hey right on," or "Hey
 jerk."  Either way that's cool.  One guy said "I'm prepared to be flamed."
 I just don't work like that.  I have a lot of strong opinions.  If you do
 too, that's swell.  Here's my mission for this post (and will probably
 cause a furor):  Where did it say that you have to like every note they
 ever produce?  If no one ever criticizes, nothing would ever get better.
 Taking into account the short amount of time between records, I would rate
 this higher the more I hear it.  But some of the piano solo and Ben
 testing his vocal range a bit too much (he's not the best there ever was)
 I think hurt the album.  That's my thing.

 4.  People talk about formulas.  Don't like em either!  But at the same
 time there's something that drew us all to the band.  For me, it was that
 unbridled enthusiasm they had.  I just feel like it's missing on this one.
 Maybe you were drawn by the tenderness of Boxing or Philosophy or
 something.  Maybe you dig ballads.  That's your thing, so enjoy.  I'm just
 out here spouting off from my perspective.

 Finally...

 5.  Keep it coming!  After a lull, finally some good BFF discussion!

 Thanks for keeping us all connected, Frank!

 Jason
 WVU

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 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:17:12 -0500 (EST)
 From: NakedVegan@aol.com
 Subject: BF5 in Houston/Austin, etc.

 Sorry for posting about the Austin show as though it was news when in fact it
 had already been announced in a previous Armchair.  The reason I didn't know
 was that sometimes I don't get all the issues of the Armchair at this email
 address, although they go through to my other email address fine (which I
 just now checked, and saw the earlier Armchairs which mentioned the U.S. tour
 dates).

 Anyway, I do have one correction to make:  El Flaco is NOT gonna open for BF5
 in Houston.  Chris from El Flaco tells me they never finalized the deal, and
 so it's not gonna happen.  According to the tour dates that were posted on
 the Armchair, Komeda is the opening band in both Austin and Houston (and most
 other places, for that matter).

 Regarding one reader's assertion of many songs on the new album that "that's
 not what BF5 is about!", don't you think that BF5 *themselves* are the best
 authority as to what BF5 is all about?  How can you presume to tell a band
 what they're all about?

 Granted the new album is DIFFERENT from the original, but that just means
 that the new album is what BF5 is focused on now.  It's proper to say "The
 second album differs from the first", but it's ridiculous to say "The second
 album is not BF5."

 And regarding that difference, bands just can't win with their second albums.
  If it's SIMILAR to the first, then critics will say they're doing the same
 old thing, ho hum.  If it's DIFFERENT from the first, then critics will say
 why are they doing this new crap rather than sticking to what they do best?
  They lose with the critics either way.

 The first album grabbed me immediately, not even a minute into my first
 listen of Jackson Cannery.  The second album doesn't do that for me.  That
 doesn't mean it's bad, just different.  But that certainly means that there
 can be some disappointment there.  All of us joined this mailing list because
 we liked the first album.  It makes sense that when presented with something
 DIFFERENT from the first album, that some of us will like it and some of us
 won't.  That says nothing about the quality of the effort.

 I've only listened to the new album once.  I'm thinking it will be the kind
 of thing that grows on me with repeated listenings.

 By the way, did I mention that when I was in Raleigh/Chapel Hill a few weeks
 ago, every shop I went to I'd ask, "Does Ben Folds shop here?"  The unanimous
 response was, "Who?"

 Finally, the typo in my sig below has been fixed so you can actually get to
 my website.  Sorry, and d'oh!

 Michael Bluejay (Austin, TX)

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