THE MAGICAL ARMCHAIR
The Ben Folds Five Digest
Issue #883 - March 14, 1998
Magical Armchair Digest Saturday, March 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 883
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TOPICS IN THIS DIGEST:
BFF Interview with Todd Rundgren
bull in the heather
you are not what you own
feeling good mentally,a little sahky physically
B Bands
sorry
illiteration
SLNIT airplay Down Under
Satan is My Master
REM's Nightswimming
Re: Bad Idea lyrics
Re: 2,000 angry pennies
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:00:36 -0800
From: 777jet <777jet@bigfoot.com>
Subject: BFF Interview with Todd Rundgren
Hi,
Some of us BFF fans would really like to get a copy of the very recent BFF
Interview by Todd Rundgren if anyone has it; Either as an audio file over
email, point me to a url, or a DAT, cassette, whatever.
Thanks, send a response to the list and *please* cc me at 777jet@bigfoot.com
Thomas
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:19:06 -0600
From: chdevers@juno.com (abe froman)
Subject: bull in the heather
***** attention kmart shoppers *****
> QUESTION: does anybody know where in the DC area I can find BFF
>singles / imports? I've managed to find the albums, but I can't find
>anything else.. (including Loungapalooza) Where do / did all fo you
>get your stuff? I've thouroughly given up on finding them up here
>in the NYC area, but I figure when I'm in DC, there's a better chance
>of finding stuff down there.. HELP!!!!
you try tower over by geo. wash. univ.?
they had some pretty obscure stuff in there...
maybe you could even have them (or anybody) order for you.
if that doesn't work out, ask them in tower.
they should be able to point out a few good record stores...
***** lookit mister smartypants here *****
> surely _mission_of_burma_ begins with an 'M'
you just _had_ to notice that. here you go:
"burma, mission of"
that better? hehe...
(anyone know them by the way? what a great band.
my roommate thinks they sound like the minutemen...)
ok, no more for today.
- --chris
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:09:16 -0600
From: chdevers@juno.com (abe froman)
Subject: you are not what you own
***** mothra will show us the way *****
>I think if anyone is selling out, it's Godzilla himself.
watch me giggle like an idiot over that one...
***** maybe they're just stingy... *****
>By the way, .02 cents is not 2cents it is 2/100's of a cent.
the things some people pick up on...
***** "Hello, my name is ______!" *****
>I'm just tired of all the names consisting
>of "fill-in-the-blank"-heads.
>
>Any other ideas?
"people" doesn't work? or if you have to narrow it down, "fans"? labels
are such a pain in the butt, why do you want to come up with a new one?
>"You're Abe Froman? The sausage king of Chicago?"
whoa! you've heard of me? wow! hehe...
well, you'd better have my table ready, & don't get all snooty...
heh heh
- --chris
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:24 -0600
From: chdevers@juno.com (abe froman)
Subject: feeling good mentally,a little sahky physically
***** hear hear *****
>Subject: [....] what the hell is Dawson's Creed?
>I'm suprised that this many people actually watch a show on WB network.
right-o. i'm so glad my tv doesn't work. (and that i don't have to listen
to the radio in the car...). it's a great way to avoid annoying aspects
of pop culture when necessary...
***** everyone loves to fight, FIGHT! *****
(hehe- pain...)
>Let's PLEASE stop the fighting, at least on the Armchair!
right on, everybody on here fights over this band as if someone were
trying to kidnap your baby brother or something. get a grip. fact is, you
were in on a good thing before the rest of the planet, but now the rest
of the planet is catching on and you have to accept it and get on with
your lives. this fame was probably inevitable, or you at least had to
accept the possibility of it happening.
were you just hoping to have them be your personal secret for the rest of
your life or something? fat chance. it's a big planet and there's room
on it for everybody.
just because some new person likes a band a whole lot doesn't mean
they're stealing a portion of the affection you had for them. it's like
president muffly's conversation with the soviet premier in "dr
strangelove": 'i understand that you are sorry, but i want you to realize
that i am even more sorry... [] ... well i am just as sorry as you are,
alexi... [] ...well then we're both equally sorry, alright?" same deal-
we can both be equally sorry- or happy, or whatever. the ideas of one
person do not exist at the exclusion of those of another: they _coexist_.
so, learn to share, willya?
case study:
>you are the dumbest person on earth...get off the list
>you retard!!!!!...my god...hi can we please please have
>real ben folds five fans on this list...my god...what is
>the world comming to...1st fake BFF fans at the shows
>...now fake BFF fans on the list...what a world..
>
>again another stupid fan...does anyone listen to WAEA
>till the end of the cd????? Its the best song damnit!!!!
>
>Frank
see, here's what i'm talking about. not everyone was born knowing this
stuff like you, frank. it had to be _learned_. this person is just
learning it now, so cut them some slack. my god the people on this list
can be belligerent...
what exactly constitutes a "real" fan anyhow? having all the albums is
irrelevant. even having the biggest pile of bootlegs is irrelevant. it
shouldn't matter if you've been into them for five minutes or five years,
either. the only thing that counts is what is in your _head_. if you
think you're a huge fan, that's what you are. period. if you think you're
a fan but you don't know all the songs and haven't researched what the
songs mean and haven't seen them 42 times with recordings of 21 of
them... ...you can still be a huge fan. all that matters here is your
opinion, nothing more nor less. period. deal with it.
***** similarities *****
>[....] he thought it was REM's Nightswim (which I have never
>heard), he also said that Helen Rasier (Triple J afternoon radio
>announcer in Australia) also said the same thing.
you're talking about "nightswimming", from 'automatic for the people'.
they both start out with kinda the same piano melody. if i remember right
though, the rem song brings in strings and what have you so they sound
kinda different, but both songs have pretty much the same mood to them.
(that whole [southern] college rock thing lives on i guess... hehe...)
***** oh _yeah_ *****
>>>i knew in my heart of hearts
>This often mistaken phrase is actually "hard of hearts."
that makes so much more sense now.
it's not even funny.
not even almost.
where does the phrase come from?
i'm assuming it's a quote of something or other...
- --chris
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:19:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Amanda J <audeshii@yahoo.com>
Subject: B Bands
Come, haven't we all forgotten Backstreet Boys? (just a little ting of
sarcasm there)
==
May The Force Be With You Forever And Always,
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:24:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: ER Burningham <u7g83@ugg.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: sorry
just pre-apologising for this being sliughtly off-topic
john craven?? i wondered what had happened to him- i mean he has to have a
hobby & do something other than gardeners world (not that i know)no?
hohoho. anyway, would everyone please stop with the seel-out thing - when
they play a song for a toothpaste advert, *then* they might be selling
out....
love
em
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:26:32 +1100 (EST)
From: Ashley C Brideson <082152@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
Subject: illiteration
Sometime or other, Phishrman1 <Phishrman1@aol.com> opened his mouth and
projectile vomited this nonsense:
> <<I WRITE : an important note : swearing makes you sound uneducated anyway
> and will almost always make you lose credibility. This is FACT.
> >>
>
>
> That sentance was one of the STUPIDEST compilation of words i have ever
> seen.....
>
> by saying "swearing makes you sound uneducated" and "will almost always
make
> you lose credibility".....by its very nature are NOT fact.....
> one is an opinion and the other is an uncertain genarlization.
>
> no offense of course.
>
> I love stiring up fucked up shit!
You also lose credibility and sound uneducated by using the following words:
sentance, genarlization, offense, and stiring.
As well as this, you may wish to check your sentence structure.
I am of the opinion that...
> That sentance was one of the STUPIDEST compilation of words i have ever
> seen.....
Please, don't take any offence. ;)
(just to add a little BF5, to whoever had the signature that quoted a
line from '...fanny packs', I'm of the opinion the line goes 'shit yeah,
it's cool'. Just a thought.)
ash.
'On the dole for rock'n'roll, a cocktail for the lonely soul'
-Even 'Karmic Flop'
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:22:40 PST
From: "Kel Lane" <kel_l@hotmail.com>
Subject: SLNIT airplay Down Under
Just a quick note to say that JJJ are playing Stevens Last Night In Town
quite regularly on Super Request. Does anyone know if this is gonna be
released as a new single or something?
Thanx,
~Kel
Yes the Rockford Files is damn kewl!
A big "Hey" to my FL and everyone else on/in the RF!
:-D
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:12:49 -0500
From: phaedonely@juno.com (J. M Donely)
Subject: Satan is My Master
Dont you guys think the beginning of that song is brilliant? WIth Ben
playing and sounding like, I dont know how to put it, but I guess its
"revivalesque church music" (if anyone knows, they can so clarify)
He sounds so impassioned! Hee hee hee....
~Elisabeth "media saturation gets me down but BFF will always kickass"
Public armchair flamings are sneaky and evil.
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:15:36 EST
From: Starstrail <Starstrail@aol.com>
Subject: REM's Nightswimming
In a message dated 98-03-12 22:58:25 EST, you write:
<< he thought it was REM's Nightswim(which I have never
heard), he also said that Helen Rasier (Triple J afternoon radio announcer
in Australia) also said the same thing.
I haven't been on the list long, and I have never seen anyone else mention
this, so I thought I would bring it up, though, like I said, I have never
heard Nightswim, so I don't know about it's legitimacy. >>
well i've heard this quite beautiful song, but the only comparisons i can make
of the two is that they've both got a piano and soft strings and they're both
slow...other than that, they have no other correlation
kestrel
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:29:23 GMT
From: "Mark Piper" <mfp540@novell3.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Bad Idea lyrics
Hi hi hi,
Hey! Hey! Did anyone see Dawsons Cre..... Oh, you did? Righto.
Kyla wrote:
> I just thought I would bring to everyone's attention how HILARIOUSLY
> wrong the lyrics are at www.lyrics.ch (as @nn@ already mentioned...)
> I seriously peed in my pants when I read them. An example:
<snip Bad Idea lyrics>
>
> WHAT?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL
> I know it's not a joke cause it's not a satirical website, but does
> anyone know where the hell they pulled that out of????
> For that matter, does anyone know the real lyrics to Bad Idea?
How can the lyrics be "HILARIOUSLY wrong" when you don't know what
they are? Maybe they're HILARIOUSLY right?? We all know that the band
weren't so keen on doing the song, maybe they just wrote crap for
lyrics.... Anyway, I think you'll find that they got the lyrics from
a load of websites that have lyrics to Bad Idea. After all, no-one
else seems to have come up with a reasonable alternative (I do seem
to remember a suggestion of "I think I see some sweet squirrel
rim".....?). So, ladies and gents, your task. Either a)come up with a
good alternative, or b) someone ask Ben...
Cheery ta
Mark
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:29:27 -0500 (EST)
From: spencerc@usit.net (Spencer Corden)
Subject: Re: 2,000 angry pennies
In a message dated Mon, 09 Mar 1998 (yeah, I know it took me long enough to
respond--so sue me.), Stephen E. Chamraz <chamraz@execpc.com> writes:
>As much as I may be loathe to admit it, music is a business. People get into
>music to make money.
Now, before anyone thinks I disagree with Stephen's statement, I will say
that I totally *agree* with him. Music is most definitely a business,
obviously for the labels, and I loathe to admit it as well. But I would
also like to play devil's advocate for just a moment. And this opinion is
not a deep conviction of mine, but merely an example of what another
scenario might be.
I know that there are quite a few pianists (or *any* musicians, for that
matter) on this list. Did you originally get into music for money? I got
into playing piano b/c it was in my best interest (read: my mother forced
me to take lessons). Fortunately, I took to it without too much of a
fight. Then I studied studio music & jazz in college. Mind you, I can see
the money coming into play there. But I would still maintain that I just
wanted to gain more knowledge of music theory, orchestration, improving my
chops, and of course--ten cent beer nights. ;-) And I *will* admit that I
now earn my money composing and performing music--but landing that one was
pure luck and knowing that "friend of a friend" thing. I didn't go
searching for the money. Someone offered it to me. I am more than willing
to say it...I got *really* lucky. Right place at the right time--go
figure. But the *main* reason I am in music is a therapeutic one. Yeah, I
know "Aw, ain't that sweet."--but you know what I mean. Nothing quite
feels like letting the 'mood du jour' loose on your piano, even if it's
slamming your forearm down on the keys like Philosophy. or just winding
down for the day by playing Evaporated. Noone pays me for that.
I'd also like to know (email me privately, *please*) from people in bands
out there--what was your main reason for getting your first band together?
And if you decided that you wanted fortune and fame out of music but didn't
get it, then what role would music play in your life? You can lose a job
scrubbin' taters and forget about *that* job, but music stays with you long
after the tour bus gets rusty fom non-use. What I mean to say is that I
can enjoy music for the rest of my life even if that's not where the money
is. Simply put, I just like to play the piano. Period.
Keep in mind, these are just thoughts. I will agree with Stephen
wholeheartedly that the music industry is money hungry. Hell, that's what
business is all about. But I think there is a line between the artist and
the industry in regards to the initial desire for money. Advance apologies
to anyone who takes this the wrong way. I just happened to like Stephen's
post. Thanks, man. Oh yeah, sorry for the long post.....
Spencer
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