THE MAGICAL ARMCHAIR
The Ben Folds Five Digest
Issue #1163 - August 7, 1998
Magical Armchair Digest Friday, August 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1163
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TOPICS IN THIS DIGEST:
Sessions question
Chuck's Post
bad idea
jackson 7-inch
I like to read my own things.
bite me Taves
the stuffing is coming out of the armchair
Robert!
The Queen of Live Shows
BFF on Ground Zero
Race relations and a request
The hallowed 45...
Not a gripe, I promise!
race, sheep, and headcounting
JC 45
COME AGAIN?
Bette Midler
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:33:43 EDT
From: Dreamer528@aol.com
Subject: Sessions question
I heard that the "Sessions.." that BF5 was on was a re-run. When was it
taped? How long ago? Just wondering.
Oh, and those kids dancing in the background were just awesome! Someone asked
earlier, but is the backwards-hat kid on this list? Just curious.
- - Sarah
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:04:02 CDT
From: "Lauren Talbot" <muffyhead98@hotmail.com>
Subject: Chuck's Post
I got rid of my mailing list because after reading this one I don't
beleive there is more room on the internet for more stupidity.
Chuck Folds is the smartest man who ever lived. Chuck kicks ass! I
love how he can sum up the whole mailing list in one post. Oh! I read
the part about URLs; but anyway......
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:23:41 -0400
From: cherry@idirect.ca
Subject: bad idea
Hey...if you're the person who kindly helped me figure out the lyrics for
Bad Idea please email me again...geez, were we off...I got the real lyrics
(from the OAD single) ...it actually makes me not understand the song even
more now that I know the real lyrics.
Thanx
Have a nice day
oh...and thanx to all the chairers who kindly helped me with my WinAmp
problems, everyone is so helpful...it's nice
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:36:00 -0400
From: schander@juno.com (joe s schanderson)
Subject: jackson 7-inch
bf5@SURRY.NET>
>>I'm not trying to piss Bill off or anything, because I want the jc 45
>>extremely bad, BUT do ya really think bidding is fair either?
Yep. And it doesn't matter what he paid for it. EVEN if he got it for
free.
If it's worth it to ME to spend X dollars or trade X amount of stuff,
then noone is losing out.
Sure, BF5 is not getting the money. Guess what, people collect stuff,
they always have and the money will not always filter down.
But, I think it's safe to assume that anyone willing to obtain this or
ANY collectible item has probably spent more than his/her share of money
supporting the band with all the "regular" stuff.
michigan joe
p.s. I hope it's scratched : )
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:10:58 PDT
From: "Dan Calarese" <plaidhound@hotmail.com>
Subject: I like to read my own things.
Heh heh. Hello everyone! some random stuff
* I will say it again: EMALINE is going to be *HUGE* we'll have
to turn this into a damn magical sofa soon! :P Even on the inside
of the NBP book Ben hints that he always thought it was "the
single"
* Anyone else watch DAVE LETTERMAN and notice how often
the band plays BOWCCL?! They play it almost every other night
between commercial breaks (you hear them go into it and when they
return they are ending the song). Guess they really like the song.
(maybe why bff played it with them during commercial when they
were there)
* Anyone think they have a chance to win that MTV music
video award? Will Ben attened the awards? Imagine Ben,
Darren, and Robert strolling up to the podium, snatching the
awards from some good looking twenty something, then ben
staring out at millions of viewers, lean towards the mike and say:
"Shit yeah, it's cool"
:)
dan
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lisa Porter <minkimoo@yahoo.com>
Subject: bite me Taves
This is in reference to #1161.
In the first MA I recieved someone was flaming someone else for saying
that fans that follow bands around (in this case, BFF) should get more
recognition and are better fans, yadda yadda. It's a shame to head
back onto that topic.
In my opinion, this is as bad as saying that someone that buys you a
big, expensive birthday present is a better friend than someone who
buys you (for eg) a book. A friend is a friend, and a fan is a fan,
who gives a crap if they can or can't afford to follow someone around,
or (to continue the analogy) buy them a big present. The point is
that they love, respect and support you.
As a long standing BFF fan who has only seen them ONCE (yes- once) I
find this debate about who is a better fan offensive and unnecessary.
The light bulb post did seem very familiar, BTW. This is my last
gripe post, I don't want to further contribute to the unmitigated
bullshit that is coming through on MA.
Ela
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:19:53 -0500
From: root@dragonspirit.com
Subject: the stuffing is coming out of the armchair
I've been readin the armchair for a while and i've come to some disturbing
conclusions. Many of you get up in arms over seemingly trivial things.
People will make generalizations. Don't take things to extremes. Many of
the posters get flamed the most for describing situations. This young
listeners thing pisses me off too. Everyone was young once, i think. Is
there anyway we can get back to the really cool BFF info & general stuff
that i believe was the original purpose of this list. On that note I would
like to put up a BFF section on my web and ftp server that has BFF cover
songs and some of the harder to find stuff. If you are interested in
helping set that up please email ftp@dragonspirit.com. Thanks
"Just because we think we're so wonderful doesn't mean we really are."
- - Jack Patton
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:24:12 EDT
From: Zyah@aol.com
Subject: Robert!
Ooh, guess what!
I was scanning the magazine rack today and I picked up Alternative Press
magazine & flipped through. . .
And who do I see with a full-page spread? Well, three guesses. And if you
don't get it after looking at this message's title, well. . . I feel bad for
you.
It's a picture of Robert, and it says "Robert Sledge of Ben Folds Five and his
Epiphone Les Paul Bass." You can kind of see Ben & Darren in the background.
It's the issue with Korn on the front. . .
You know what, I just realized that I would feel really stupid if this was
already posted. I bet someone posted this last week, and I missed it. Well,
if so, sorry!
Lauren
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:49:32 -0400
From: "Leigh Nelson" <leigh13@mindless.com>
Subject: The Queen of Live Shows
'Taves' (my newest Australian friend) wrote in MA #1161:
>I wanna know, just for curiousity's sake, who has seen bff live the most
>in one year?
>the highest I know of so far is 12 (which I find amazing, but perhaps I
>am easily impressed, after all i thought 9 was special <g>)
It's got to be Sandi Shortcake. Ask anyone who's ever been to any BFF
show, anywhere in the USA, chances are she was there. I saw her in NY,
Philly, DC, VA Beach, Cincinnati...and I know she went to Kansas, Texas,
Chicago, Las Vegas, and LA, to mention a few. Props to the plastic pants!!
(credit to you if you've seen 'em and credit to me for the fine alliteration
:-)
- - Leigh 13 (to those who didn't know, I am all MALE, baby!)
p.s. I saw the Verve tonight at Hammerstein...a bit of a letdown.
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:09:04 WST
From: "Danielle Griffin" <chewoki@hotmail.com>
Subject: BFF on Ground Zero
>yeh, I taped it.
>it was pretty funny actually. Darren and Ben were in lie-mode and made
>up a story of what Brick is REALLY about. (he he he) I can't remember
>his words exactly, but Darren says "you see, people don't realise the
>sort of feelings you can have for a brick..." and continues from there
>for a couple minutes with Ben's help on how difficult it can be to love
>a brick
I just gotta ask this....did the interviewers get the joke or were they
jsut like, "Wow, that's so meaningful...I get it now"??!! Ahhh, gotta
love Ground Zero. :P
Danielle
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:23:33 EDT
From: SyN3RG3@aol.com
Subject: Race relations and a request
Dan Cohen's post was one of the most intelligent I've seen in a long time --
Thanks.. I was beginning to lose faith..
On another note, I'm looking for a copy of the World Cafe that aired not too
long ago? Also any of the new Australian bootlegs.
Thanks.
Celine
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:20:04 -0700
From: "luke wilson" <uncle_walter@mailexcite.com>
Subject: The hallowed 45...
Hiya,
Whitney wrote, concerning the sale of Jackson Cannery
"Besides it being illegal (not really concerned about that aspect) it's really ripping off the band that's busted their ass to get where they are today, they deserve & should get every penny that they make."
Shall I tell you why you're not really concerned? Because it's not illegal. It's as illegal as selling a second hand car. As selling your house. As selling a cd you don't want to your mate (which, in reality, is what Bill is doing.). If Bill were to _copy_ the 7 inch, and then sell it, _that_ would be illegal. But he's not. Also, BFF have already made money on the 45. If you think you should give them money every time it's sold on, then I trust that every time you sell your car (now or in the future) you'll give the manufacturer a percentage of the proceeds, because they "deserve and should get every penny that they make".
For me, this is the only chance I'll get, in all likelihood, of laying my hands on this, due to my living in England. Think about it - if it was hard to get hold of in the US, imagine what it'd be like abroad.
"But guys realize something...how much do you think he paid for this, if he paid for it at all?"
I'm sorry? Are you accusing Bill of theft? You're treading on very dangerous territory, my friend. And, granted, Bill only paid a few dollars for this, but it's called an _investment_. Would you moan if someone found a Picasso in their garage, and then sold it for millions? I think not, and this, ultimately, is the same situation.
Please, think before you speak
"Lawyer" Luke.
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lisa Porter <minkimoo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Not a gripe, I promise!
This is actually a wierd request- Many traders (esp. US) have
specified that I use Maxwell tapes. I live in Randwick and work at
Eastgardens Westfield and I have scoured every single store in both
areas-- nothing. BASF and TDK, yeah... no Maxwell. Can anyone help
me? even if you live in Brisbane and know of a chain that stocks
them...
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:29:44 -0400
From: jen chen <pickle@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: race, sheep, and headcounting
i think it's not that easy to say, "oh, well blacks need to be more open
to 'white' music" because it's not that simple. whether any of you
admit it or not, most people are sheep. they're affected by those
around them, and they conform. if you grow up in a black community,
you're most likely going to listen to the music that many blacks listen
to because that's basically what you're surrounded by. you're told by
the people around you that a certain music is good, and that's what you
grow to like. i'm chinese, and according to stereotypes, i'm supposed
to listen to r&b or something. well, i live in a white town and go to a
school that has only 3 other asians. the majority of my friends are
white and listen to alternative/rock, and.....this is a shocker......so
do i! i say that this is the music i like, but if i grew up in a
different neighborhood, i most likely would like somethign completely
different.
so please, next time you go to a BFF show, pay more attention to ben,
darren, and robert instead of doing a headcount of the minorities there.
jen chen
"Black and white is always grey." -Husker Du
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:27:25 -0700
From: "Bill Minnick" <bill.minnick@mailcity.com>
Subject: JC 45
Perhaps against my better judgment, I'm going to respond to Whitney's diatribe against me for putting up my copy of the Jackson Cannery 45 for auction.
First of all, I did in fact pay for my copy of that recording. I was just very lucky to look into it when I did (in early 1996, as I recall, long before BF5 were really popular). As for potentially receiving money for that item, I indicated to the people who e-mailed me that my "preference" was to receive either cash or rare BF5 CDs in exchange for the JC 45. I never indicated that other offers wouldn't be entertained; I merely stated a preference. However, if I were to take money for it, do you really think that the boys in the band would expect to receive a portion of the profits? I think that's highly unlikely. Do you think for a moment that when a copy of the infamous Yesterday and Today "butcher" album cover is sold, that the surviving Beatles all expect a portion of the proceeds? Of course not.
It's not as if I (and others) are peddling unauthorized or illegal merchandise. Leaving that issue aside, however, I may ultimately decide to take other goods in exchange for the JC 45; I haven't made up my mind yet, and I won't until early next week. Whitney, who knows? You may have something I'd be interested in, but you won't know unless you submit a bid--and I encourage you to do so, rather than just sulk about how unfair I've been. Actually, what could have been MORE fair? Should I have just accepted the first offer I received? Or just randomly have pulled one of the offers out of a hat? Would that have been fair? I guess maybe if the offer came from you, Whitney, huh? Also, by accepting bids by only those people who contacted me on or before August 4, I gave those who seemed to be the most interested the greatest chance of success.
Sorry, Whitney, but it sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:35:41 -0800 (PST)
From: ejimenez1@CSUPomona.Edu
Subject: COME AGAIN?
> Okay, Im kind of confused is Bens middle name Folds and his last name Five? I
> didn't know, a friend and I were discussing it and just wondered.
>
> P.S. Is Brick about an abortion?
>
okay, you either have a brilliant sense of humor or you're a new fan ...
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:43:34 EDT
From: NDVermin@aol.com
Subject: Bette Midler
I read somewhere, I think SonicNews, that Bette Midler was putting out a cover
album and one of the songs was going to be "Boxing". I guess that's pretty
cool.
McG
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